ModernTimes
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The good and bad of Season 6Well what does everyone think happened to Season 6? What were it's strong and weak points? My thoughts:
Pro: Great 4 part opener
Strong ending. Lets them do anything with S7
Con:
-To many new characters that we didn't care about
- after episode Fayed was dead the subcircuit board was a terrible plot
- Didn't use Bill or Chloe very well.
I look foward to hearing your thoughts.
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DSi
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Bad:
Should have incorporated more with CTU.
Too many good guys died.
Jack's family was a horrible subplot and should never have been used in the show.
Horrible plot for the end 3/4 of show with the Chinese and the sub circuit board.
Good:
Jack's brother being the bad guy from season 5 left a lot of loose ends, could be picked up in later seasons.
Very strong ending, season 7 will be unpredictable.
Amazing season premier and beginning of season.
That's just in my opinion 
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ModernTimes
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Anyone else with any thoughts about this?
I have a few more
Cons: When they brought back older characters they didn't have much purpose. Aaron, Martha and Logan had a waste of an episode which was never resolved.
Milo was just a useless character who was brought back for no reason whatsoever.
Pro: The amazing death of Fayed
Tom Lennox was a great newbie
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slade
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Con:
-Killing Curtis. Curtis was an awesome character.
-Not much from Aaron Pierce
Pro:
-Killing Curtis made great TV 
-Chan surviving (he did didn't he?) This leaves that storyline open for later seasons.
-Morris is a great character.
-The ending was great. It leaves a lot of emotion for the next season, which the producers say will be more personal. But did anyone get the feeling that he was going to jump off the balcony? For some reason i imagined that happening
That's all i can think of.
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mocha
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Re: The good and bad of Season 6 | ModernTimes wrote: | Well what does everyone think happened to Season 6? What were it's strong and weak points? My thoughts:
Pro: Great 4 part opener
Strong ending. Lets them do anything with S7
Con:
-To many new characters that we didn't care about
- after episode Fayed was dead the subcircuit board was a terrible plot
- Didn't use Bill or Chloe very well.
I look foward to hearing your thoughts. |
I was sad to see Fayed die as i loved that whole terror plot. The circuit board got so boring. Jacks brother dying was a bad point too. They didn't use Chloe enough. She needs to have more. She is an awesome actress. Bill the same. Stop bringing in all these geeky people trying to fit in on the show.
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Remy
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This was the 1st and only seson I've seen so far! 
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DSi
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You should watch the other seasons, they are a lot better in my opinion! Start with season 1 and go forward from there.
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Remy
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I want to! 
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PreviouslyOn24
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GOOD:
- Seeing more of Jack's background and his family
- Charles Logan returns
- A brilliant White House plot and the character of Tom Lennox
- CTU populated with real characters instead of number-punching names, and the humour increase
- Shockingly gruesome: the neck bite, the knife in the knee, the drill torture, the severed arm, etc.
- Plenty of action without it being pointless
- Curtis is killed and Jack's reaction: so emotional
- Jack's final speech to Audrey
BAD:
- Mike Doyle: a nice idea, but too much like Jack 2.0
- Jack underused in the middle in favour of other characters
- A few dodgy fake CGI shots during the oil platform finale
- Martha Logan and Aaron Pierce only being present for one episode
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Viralize
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Good ender, anything can happen next season. Quite a lot of suspense.
Should have been more 'leaks'. Doyle was too much of a Jack, no personality etc.
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Almeida
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They once again ran out of ideas. And the chemistry was gone.
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PreviouslyOn24
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| Almeida wrote: | | They once again ran out of ideas. And the chemistry was gone. |
I'd disagree. Jack hearing of Audrey's death in a simple scene was not enough closure on their storyline, and also Jack needed revenge on Cheng Zhi and his father, Phillip. After Jack killed Abu Fayed, the storyline really picked up for me and got interesting. It was one of those classic moments where you think everything's resolved, and then BANG, Jack got the phonecall from Cheng.
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Godot
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Pros:
Suitcase Nukes
Nuclear Drone
Russian/Middle Eastern Alliance (I thought that was awesome)
VP Noah
Nadia Yassir
Jack Bauer Family Plot
Chloe's new look
Morris story plot (i liked the acholohlic plot)
Human side of Jack Bauer
My homegurl Karen Hayes
Bascically i loved S6
if i think of something else i will come back
cons:
More screen time for Nadia Yassir
More involvement of CTU
the terrorist did not blow up San Fran
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Josephine Marcus
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Bill kicked ass at the end. Go Bill
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Josephine Marcus
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I was really upset that Assad got killed. I actually really liked him, I like what he did and how they developed his character and I was really looking forward to some more character development and story lines. And then they killed him, but I guess that's 24 for ya.
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artur2060
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You're forgetting one thing:
how the hell does Jack knows Russian!?
And he spoke it so terriblely! It was so unrealistic that the guard bought it!
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whycantkimdie?
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He's a field agent who's been all over the world. I suppose he just picked it up whilst working at that Victor Drazen mission.
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artur2060
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I happen to know Russian and I can tell you that the way he spoke it was just terrible. It was incorrect and with no accent.
Besides, even if he has been all over the world we haven't seen it. Then it means that it was long ago. The Russian language is not native for him so there is no chance he could remember it so quickly. That Drazen mission has nothing to do with Russian. That's Yugoslavia.
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slade
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How about, it's a TV show?
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artur2060
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I'm just saying...
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whycantkimdie?
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| slade wrote: | | How about, it's a TV show? |
Yeah I can't imagine Kiefer knowing russian in real life so he would have had to learn that sentence and he won't have done a very gud job of it.
At the end of the day, who really cares?
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah, I forgot about that scene until just now, it wasn't a huge detail
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artur2060
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Yeah..you're probably right...
The ending of the season was great but I wish they had added more action to it
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Josephine Marcus
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MORE action to the end? I think it had a pretty descend amount of action. Kinda reminded me of the S2 finale, what with the final showdown and such.
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artur2060
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Personally, I liked the ending of season 2 better. We saw how Jack can fight and at the end, sometimes, he also needs luck.
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slade
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I watched season 2 the other day. The ending was cool, he grabbed a guys neck and ran up the wall and twisted it 
I kinda liked the ending to Season 6 with the scene inside the secretary of defense's house.
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artur2060
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Many seasons had massive action scenes at the end:
S1: Going after the Drazens and shooting the entire ckip into Victor
S2: In the colusium with the snipers and the on on one combat
S3: Chasing half the city after that guy with the virus and then cutting off Chase's hand.
S4: Marwan at the end and Jack 'dying'
S5: Catching Logan and boarding the 'HMS China'
Don't get me wrong, I loved the ending but blowing up an oil platform... that's been done before too many times.
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Josephine Marcus
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I liked the S2 ending cause of the simplicity. It seems the writers are trying too hard now.
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whycantkimdie?
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| Josephine Marcus wrote: | | I liked the S2 ending cause of the simplicity. It seems the writers are trying too hard now. |
Me too and the season 5 one
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah. the end of S5 kinda came outta nowhere as far as the Chinese storyline goes.
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah its completly unexpected.
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Josephine Marcus
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I had completely forgot about that storyline, but I knew something had to be coming because I knew there was no way that they were gonna let Jack be happy at the end of a season. I just didn't expect it to be so brutal or serious.
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artur2060
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Actually, I the Chinese would come earlier in the season. But I didn't think they would kidnap him, I thought that maybe Buchanan would suddenly get a phone call at CTU, look all diasppointed and then he would have to call Jack in the middle of an operation.
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Josephine Marcus
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I didn't even think about it. I was just happy to see Jack happy with Audrey for once, but I knew there was something coming.
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah theres never a happy ending
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah, that's what i was thinking, but I wasn't prepared for something that bad (and gruesome)
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whycantkimdie?
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yeah my personal fav ening to a season
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Josephine Marcus
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I was the most unexpected since S1 i think
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artur2060
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| whycantkimdie? wrote: | | Yeah theres never a happy ending |
What about season 3?
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slade
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Chase getting his arm cut off and Jack crying like a little girl, not very happy if you ask me
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artur2060
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Yes, but everything ended up well. Arm cut off is an injury and trust me, Jack got over himself as soon as he was called on the radio. Unlike other seasons:
1: Terri dies.
2: Unclear with Palmer.
4: He goes 'WITSEC'
5: Kidnapping.
6: Goodbye to Audrey and doesn't know what to do with himself
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whycantkimdie?
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It was probably the happiest ending, but it still wasn't a happy ending
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Josephine Marcus
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Actually, as far as Jack goes, I think S2 would have been the happiest for him. Cause he probably got to spend some nice relaxing time recovering from the heart thing and had Kim with him. I know he looked pretty happy to be with her as the were putting him in the ambulance.
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whycantkimdie?
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yeah plus esason 3 ended sadly with Tony being arrested for treason.
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Josephine Marcus
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Oh yeah! I thought that was gonna be the last we would see of Tony, and that he would get the chair or something! So imagine my surprise when he appears and saves the day in S4
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah once he came back I knew Michelle would too.
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Josephine Marcus
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I knew it was just a matter of time before she came back. I really like Michelle
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whycantkimdie?
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Me too her death wasn't good enough for a character so great.
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah. I agree. If only she could have had some heroic death, like Tony being the one who is initially bombed and she runs out to save him.
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah she was always a much better agent than Tony.
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Josephine Marcus
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I wish they would have made her Jacks partner or something. I loved her in her field agent work.
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah like when she was captured by Saunders' men
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Josephine Marcus
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Or when she shot that guy for trying to leave the hotel.
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whycantkimdie?
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Oh yeah what an idiot!
If a fed's telling you that if you leave a building she'll shoot you, you don't usually leave!
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Josephine Marcus
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Natural selection. I just still can't believe Michelle never got sick.
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whycantkimdie?
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She was immune along with 10% of the people at the hotel. People like Gael weren't
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah, that poor bugger...
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whycantkimdie?
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He was one of the many characters who I hated until they died. Like Chappelle and Mason.
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Josephine Marcus
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Me too. I can't help but love a character after they have a death like that. Except Lynn. I'll always hate him.
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah they didnt grip us to that death like Mason, Geal and Chappelle.
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Josephine Marcus
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I just hate that it was all because of him that all that happened, so by saving everyone he's really just evening the score. He went out neutral.
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah we all cared about the cop more.
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Josephine Marcus
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I KNOW!! Poor guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah and when he had to say goodbye to his daughter
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Josephine Marcus
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Oh, don't even remind me! I hate completely innocent people who get caught in the middle. Like that little girl at the mall with the Sentox nerve gas!
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whycantkimdie?
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But she didn't die.
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah, but for a while you didn't know whether she was going to or not!
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whycantkimdie?
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For that matter, who do you reckon have been the youngest and oldest people to die on 24?
Phil Bauer has to be the oldest, but who's the youngest?
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Josephine Marcus
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The youngest... You know, I've never thought of that...
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whycantkimdie?
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The youngest ON SCREEN death. Coz otherwise you could count the pilots kids in season 4
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Josephine Marcus
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The pilots kids??
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whycantkimdie?
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The guy who Anderson was impersonating as. Anderson has his wife and kids to make him cooperate and he says "your family is dead, and so are you" then shoots him.
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Josephine Marcus
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OH! Him! Okay. I guess, but I was thinking on-screen deaths.
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whycantkimdie?
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Ahmed Amar in season 6
He's like 15 and gets shot
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Josephine Marcus
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Hmm... What scene was that?
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slade
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He was the guy who took his neighbours hostage and sent out the husband the deliver the package to Fayed. I don't think he was 15 though.
I wouldn't think they'd show a kid getting killed off.
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Josephine Marcus
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OH! HIM! He's on House now! Lol.
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slade
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He was in Harold and Kumar
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artur2060
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I seriously doubt he was 15... More like late 20. The actor is close to 30 already but the character was around 20.
I think Kim's girlfriend, Janet York, from season 1 was the youngest
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah, you got it. She would have been the youngest.
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whycantkimdie?
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Yeah you're right.
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Josephine Marcus
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Well... I'm glad that's solved.
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artur2060
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And off screen would not be children of the pilots. It would be all the babies that probably dies drom the nuke in season 6
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slade
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Or season 5 when the nuclear plants go off.
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artur2060
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right
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whycantkimdie?
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The nuclear plant goes off in season 4.
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's four
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artur2060
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It's 4 where Edga'r mother dies. Edgar then dies in season 5
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slade
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Got mixed up again
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Josephine Marcus
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Eh, it happens to the best of us. (Just don't let it happen again  . jk )
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slade
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Trust me i will
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah, I probably will too. I'm always getting some details of 1 and 2 mixed around
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bauerhour
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I have recently been watching season 6 again on dvd, and on a second watching, i think its great. When i was first watching it i thought it was ordinary, on the second watch i think it is really good and was harshly criticised. What were the things that people thought were wrong with the season?
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Josephine Marcus
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As far as the fans go, 24 is it's own worst enemy. The biggest mistake people make is comparing it to itself. Every show is entitled to a bad season, and before S6, S4 seemed to get the harshest criticism. If you compare S6 to the rest of the seasons, then yes, maybe it had a few bad episodes in the middle, but compared to the rest of TV its still a pretty damn good show!!
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bauerhour
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Yeah, i agree with that!
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Josephine Marcus
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Thank you
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bauerhour
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Just a question, i just watched graem's interrogation when he says that he was resposible for david palmers death. Is this true? because many people have admitted to be reponsible for it, charles logan, christopher henderson, walt, and now graem. Who actually ordered it?
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whycantkimdie?
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Graem ordered it although about 5 people have admitted to it.
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bauerhour
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Thought so, him and the bluetooth headset gang in season 5.
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Josephine Marcus
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Yeah. He was the big cheese of the whole scheme. Everyone else were just his lackeys.
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